User: Dr Zen
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So, I'm not the only one who thinks Dr Zen is a troll. RickK 23:41, Nov 23, 2004 (UTC)
Dr Zen is my online identity wherever I roam. I'm an editor by trade so I'll probably be contributing most by copy-editing anything that catches my eye.
yeah whatever is my web presence.
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Watchlist
Dr Zen will periodically purge his watchlist for the good of his soul. It was purged on Dec 6 at 11:00, eastern Australia time, with the exception of the pages regarding CheeseDreams. If you are currently engaged in trolling or attacking Dr Zen, he regrets that he might miss your comments, and directs you to his talk page.
From my talk page
I believe that the ideal is a solution that has taken account of all views, that has persuaded or tried to, and is acceptable to all.
What, I wonder, is so wrong with the suggestion that rather than summarily listing an editor's work on VfD, as was done with textfiles.com, where the editor in question is a user of good standing, that one might write to the editor and ask them to discuss its notability? Are we in such a hurry to delete pages we don't approve of that it hurts to allow them an extra day. Build. Don't destroy.
Cantometrics, the product of a bonafides editor with a long edit record, was listed for deletion 19 minutes after being created.
Constructionism
I am a constructionist. I agree that Wikipedia is not paper and can include much more than a bound encyclopaedia. I believe encyclopaedias should be fascinating.
I'm not convinced that a good encyclopaedia is an information dump, a central repository for facts available elsewhere. However, I don't take this to mean that it should be particularly exclusive. If articles on metro stations can be improved by becoming more comprehensive, then they probably should be included. If not, not. It's not an easy judgment, although some treat it as if it were.
Is the whole world and everything in it fascinating? Perhaps it is, to someone, somewhere. We should at least be careful about deleting what may be good to share.
The agenda some display worries me. The word "notability" is bandied about as though it represented an objective standard, which it clearly does not. If a town with one inhabitant, episode summaries of South Park, tracklistings of albums and other trivia of no broader significance are all included, why not schools? I am yet to see a coherent argument for deleting them. While I feel subjectively that they should not all be included, or perhaps that they should be included as a brief part of the article on the town they are in, I believe that any objective standard used to disqualify most schools would disqualify many thousands of other Wikipages too.
Some suggest the article on Moanalua High School as an example of how good school articles could all be. Frankly, I think it is a good example of how bloated and poorly written articles can be when those who write them have a personal stake and do not edit them with an eye to actually being interesting (Moanaloa, we are told, competes in air riflery and has boys' and girls' teams -- wow! You don't say). I also can't help feeling that for a flagship noteworthy school, it is very ordinary.
I believe in the notion of consensus, working together to build a great encyclopaedia. I think we should at least try to be civil in that pursuit. There are good, well-thought-out policies that can aid it.
However, there are many editors, it seems, who hide behind the policies and guidelines in place of engaging in discussion. Do they not know that yelling "you are not being civil" is in itself not being civil! I engage these people as far as I can, in the attempt to sway them to a more agreeable position, but there are limits. We are advised to walk away from conflict and I do, because ultimately it is not constructive, and I am here to construct, not destroy.
Summary: Build. Do not destroy.
The standard of notability
Will it become unnotable when the old folks die?
BJAODN
Beauty is the phenomenon of hedonistic experience, through the perception of balance and proportion of stimulus.
Go-go boots are a type of boots which originally was created in the 1960s with the intention that they should be used for dancing.
In the fiction of J. R. R. Tolkien, Argon was the fourth child of Fingolfin, High King of the Ņoldor in Beleriand.
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Revision as of 11:23, 3 Nov 2004 LGagnon (Talk | contribs) revert; deleting someone else's comment is rude
I've seen the talk page; stop poisoning the well and attempting to insert POV -- Jayjg. It is POV, apparently, to note that we are linking to a statement by the Israeli deputy PM and not POV to pass him off as just some guy.
There's no doubt that Cyprus is not geographically European and as Europe is a geographical body ("Europe is a continent") Cyprus should not be mentioned as a country in Europe (eventhough they are a member of The European Union). A new page on European culture or European civilization would perhaps solve this dispute? Moravice 22:31, 2004 May 7 (CET) (Dr Zen's emphasis)
This, to me, is why sane folks need to be working on VfD Old. I don't do it -- can't undertand how -- but I'd be damned tempted to ignore auto-keep and auto-delete votes, to disregard any votes that didn't have a rationale. Geogre 03:19, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not paper
Stable articles. A paper encyclopaedia. Privileged editors. Review. Less is better. I don't want 1.0. I want Wikipedia. Evolving, growing, profuse. No vanity. No ego. No names on the cover.
To do
- Fix the New Order page
- Erm... there will be more...
